Affiliated Managers (MGR) 27 Jul 202020 Q2 Earnings call transcript

Greetings, and welcome to the AMG Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions].

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