Western Alliance Bancorporation (WAL) 28 Jan 222021 Q4 Earnings call transcript

Good day, everyone. Welcome to Western Alliance Bancorp's Fourth Quarter 2021 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. [Operator Instructions] You may also view the presentation today via webcast through the company's website at www.westernalliancebancorporation.com. I would now like to turn the call over to Miles Pondelik, Director of Investor Relations and Corporate Development. ahead. go Please

welcome Conference And Alliance Fourth Bank's Thank to XXXX Call. Quarter you. Western

today President Our Officer; Ken are speakers Vecchione, Gibbons, Financial and and Chief Officer. Dale Executive Chief

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Thank you. Okay, great.

Piper from with the Sandler. question line comes Brad Your of Milsaps next

morning, Good Hey. guys.

Good morning, Brad.

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comment. That's a Yes. fair Correct.

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then And me, Okay. for Ken. Thank final question just for you.

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So saw the that's for we QX. growth where

you. Great. Thank

KBW. line next question with of from Chris McGratty Your comes the

this efficiency as would the maybe you interested mentioned reset that flexible Thanks a Great. Dale, the the term I on for can of you out. bit, I'm kind speak low-XXs of know near ratio. some come to expenses question. the gets mortgage business

Yeah.

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I Great. mind trying would catch -- you was Thanks. And up. to

with You consensus comfortable there. said I something the about XXXX guidance that you're out missed that.

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it. Got Thank you.

comes Brandon Truist Your King from with next of question the line Securities.

back year? I Are wanted the you per growth for quarter. loan anticipate half with that changes to billion year? the of in expecting composition similar composition, expectations this And in you a of touch the change any do within the guidance especially with as with Hey. year QX strategy AmeriHome on $X last

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mortgage warehouse and call was pandemic, and narrow. estate it basically so during very lines the And real lines. It it capital started residential was

tech, increases Now seen in increases -- we're in hotel, mentioned, we've the Ken increases seeing, as got regions. we've in

I continue. bit accordion could residential in is maybe Where the side. an a little think to of that's element you see going

shines, obviously, So push, to we're if credit going on our deposit not growth underwriting.

going And up so on on liquidity residential push talked the the piece, NQM increased that the valve is to pick really we that about. to

of And XX% performance, over QX. to was be level similar see the of it to baseline I you alluded expect somewhere residential so piece just to at maybe what in a kind to

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bounced back mentioned helpful. you And That's how quarter. then hotel finance in the Okay. franchise

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Ken. Correct. Thanks,

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had said, In addition tighter as to, underwriting standards. Tim we

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Yeah.

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you very much. Thank Okay.

with Your line D.A. Gary Tenner the of from next comes Davidson. question

Thanks. Good A morning. couple of questions.

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Yeah. Exactly.

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guys. Yes. it. Thanks, Appreciate

Thanks.

comes line Wedbush question from Your next Securities. David Chiaverini with of the

pipeline, you announcement additional made to as Any Hey, thanks. appetite about that? like on it the for transactions your the question you particularly A about Digital M&A Disbursements. talk -- nonbank could relates

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make you. Thank That sense.

question Arfstrom the of Capital line Jon RBC next comes from Your Markets. with

you Thank questions. for the taking Hey.

questions. two Just

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help throughout how is just the year. steep understand ramp that So us

Yeah.

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you growth? what trying but feel XXXX. that's out, of I think about again, you thinking carve-outs. the just a some about way I'm is to EPS talked that's I'm about. it's But And long like I sustainable know know Okay. sustainable

out look going already. we we sheet I here the believe -- I'm -- so momentum on put -- got Yeah. balance I mean, to what really these for to But and this. we've on

we we side new the the in regarding initiatives, indicated, of any some developments kind deposit both factored of AmeriHome these well haven't deals. of and As as as

done We to be And they're constructive to economy know I on think that rate X. X get. But partially September. the We're dialing to be should don't that, going June, and going I least momentum to increases as probably are year, well. overall it's with we're give many But March, don't also. going this at how me, in

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your Jon, question --

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you it's carry, rearview And most beneficial to beta floors and we're in those Jon. company. going of so And to rate the third higher once improvement clear on get the yeah, mirror, on the going fourth will certainly, a to hike, the be that loans we our

Okay.

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