Builders FirstSource (BLDR) 26 Feb 212020 Q4 Earnings call transcript

Good morning, and thank you for joining Builders FirstSource Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2020 Earnings Conference Call. Michael Neese, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations for Builders FirstSource will now provide the company's opening remarks.

Thank you, Keith. Good morning, and welcome to our fourth quarter and full year 2020 earnings call. I hope you and your families continue to remain safe and well. call Jackson, Crow, our the President; Dave on Peter and CFO. me are CEO; Chad Flitman, With Today, we merger XXXX success will together we fourth as quarter are provide FirstSource and as an overview and Builders company company year beyond. of one full positioning culture performance, and BMC the in discuss and and and highlights results integration come our how record continued for record today results merger on both January XXXX, reflect Since standalone and closed reported BFS' quarter the BMC fourth we for the the X, year. results full

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our question next We'll with Collin Verron take Jefferies. from

your guidance The margin basis So through I XXX throughout hoping can EBITDA of show the I now was just just just start on P&L, can us expansion. about margin you wanted implies this lumber And capturing might about or SG&A? where year? up just EBITDA to points how this of given synergies, gross walk expansion. talk the the is of improvement you and the profit on cadence

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Keith Hughes take our from question with Truist. next We'll

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question We'll from next take Trey Grooms with our Stephens.

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from take Thompson Ramsey our next question Steven Research with Group. We'll

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from Our final BTIG. questions with Ryan Gilbert

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