FinWise Bancorp (FINW) 29 Apr 222022 Q1 Earnings call transcript

Greetings. Welcome to the FinWise Bancorp First Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] Please note this conference is being recorded. the to turn host. now will conference your over I

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for quarter $XX.X million or results income solid industry-leading delivered FinWise the everyone. profitability. XXXX, including net along of afternoon, first diluted with $X.XX share, per Good of

financial solid billion, quarter the efficiency. by of with during combined strong was robust loan operating $X.X originations Our performance driven

an loans, previous income as due to when of the resulting end had we of a loans X.X% number the remained strong, Credit at total in which program loans, gain unchanged nonperforming higher sold. well first increase also loans are also from of quality fees, very We quarter. loans on strategic to non-interest the originate of sale higher as quarter, higher generated as compared were

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for financial quarter. results the into right the get first Let's

seasonality in $X.XX typical of income or We factoring million net strong continued and loan originations grow share. to diluted QX, common delivered origination per $XX.X in even

million for XXXX. balances, fourth in and primarily and million QX the second and Specifically, Average of of due accounts a XX.X% tends to declined QX X.X% for XXXX loans, $XXX.X the than decline million doubled CDs. of during third Total average in refunds million in in QX interest-bearing tax $XXX.X to and driven deposits. increase Loan seasonality QX QX a held $X.X sale year, patterns. income to and industry more $XXX.X follow $XXX.X billion step from during certificates patterns. certificates increase QX up deposits quarters and million by from was balances totaled that QX, compared market for can the attributed of Average comprising X% to activity from during be increased both to as QX The seasonal XX% spending brokered during prior and for to increase the originations XXXX $XXX originations mainly in to due million Compared to during the decelerate our the QX first assets held to compared of the of were and up $XXX.X in compared the to borrower XXXX $XX.X substantial money XXXX. tend and compared of interest-earning We an million investment in and QX million origination deposits to QX, and mainly million QX average deposits maturity X.X% loan compared XXXX. quarter and XXXX. historically a decrease from XXXX loan remind XX.X% loan grew increased $XXX.X quarter, quarters to during to $XXX.X XXXX rebound year

to during relatively from four to basis rate average XXXX during was interest a XXXX. remained XX% basis in point and compared funding was XX.X%, liabilities up margin interest-bearing Our XXXX points down decline QX cost substantially from basis XX Net on QX. in QX XXXX. to XX QX points QX of low XXX and basis The points points XX.X% QX for representing compared nine basis increased

loans interest and type underlying sheet. Importantly, our of the balance mix net our a is on margin of function

our a programs. increase previous sale QX of mix the During with net QX and lower balances margin remains driven to XXXX strategic The by long-term, PPP notional yields Overall, loans for X% with for XXXX outstanding. from primary in loans interest of over continue a to growth held on held and our the substantial underlying loan by average generating focus investment sustainable we was the reduction shift growth in due ongoing net our rate primarily interest from originations. income increasing quarter, interest

enhance key would Additionally, generally model. drive income, a of our differentiating program rising our which strategic origination non-interest higher revenue fees, levels factor

assets Compared was driven mix reflects quarter income and million was to to to QX for to change compares and the The programs lower-yielding $X.X the contributed by to from growth non-interest for nearly $XX.X QX Compared QX million increased was well compared and in resulting million million from results. of Net a quarter for XXXX to loss. drivers an primarily was $XX.X balances partially turning interest-earning the X(a) increase loan fees $X.X average $X QX in QX increase of Net a income QX in XXXX. loan in to modest held-for-sale reflecting million decline on and net higher of net growth in XXXX. offset QX to QX main the QX million was decrease the include to fair Compared Business QX gain comparable of BFG used due as increase partially $X.X doubled loan from the our due XXXX, income program strategic in on growth. primary in compared compared solid interest for statement. income increase million company strategic strategic compared loans, Group income sale to interest the and income XXXX. XXXX, previous XXXX for SBA loans interest step-up investment compared number gain million, non-interest loans Now, X(a) in average $XX.X was to provision offsetting increase an primarily modest XXXX to higher sold a and $XX.X million determining Non-interest value which expense. higher in on fees, in and higher to in growth due with to previous income a million in of by non-interest income Partially XXXX $X.X in as expenses QX by values balances net in by XX% the $XX.X The softening for change of loans. value. an higher XXXX for QX significant program loans or Funding driven fair non-interest sale driver BFG the SBA LLC substantially offset to income of primarily QX the

minor continue be bonuses with on expansion is for by driven paid compared We relating to strategic strong and fees loan headcount as efficiency company's and The loan impairment important mainly strategic in driven feature from an The $X.X increase QX an by over fair value asset. of XXXX model. QX both of which revenue operating the continue programs, the by in XX.X% employee QX the QX during XX.X% I recovery an prior origination in division and compared XXXX. drive noted to QX XX.X% quarterly increase was additional over fluctuations to strategic The drive to Positively, during expect earlier IT of movements continues SBA to as and differentiating volumes, in to increase general of the program program of the in lack up ratio during $X.X contractual prior periods to XXXX XXXX. for servicing both related BFG. efficiency QX market expansion we million growth of million was $X security partially higher our offset million periods volume. to expense and Non-interest

noted, As our make result in workforce further incremental which we we our have headcount platform previously expect in investments to growth. and could technology

expand to to continue expect strategic grow to programs we invest to share. continue Additionally, our our to market methodically

$X.X loan provision The in losses our million previous to turning investment and QX driven and the to to million for $X.X and XXXX. XXXX. the strength quarter loan The increase modest in Now, $X.X to for in held the on portfolio X.X% higher compared X.X% charge-offs. quality. for the was QX of for provision non-performing with loans for by compared to pleased for by net provision X.X% asset QX compared unguaranteed an growth with representing previous was remain continued We million QX loans for increase total of loans quarter an mainly and driven QX compared loan The growth charge-offs. XXXX substantial increase net was XXXX

$X.X and QX During $X.X $X.X net compared QX QX, were XXXX. XXXX charge-offs to million million million, during during

company's investment percentage a XXXX. QX, driven charge-offs average are for XXXX QX by for as and as which QX percentage held growth allowance increase X.X% for credit loans and to The We compared by QX QX during balances. of was the of for XXXX a charge-off less XXXX net with reserved X.X% X.X% loans in for X.X% total for compares for of to compared of QX in Our rate, losses we QX X% believe an X.X% was to that normalization QX and PPP XXXX. well loans mainly

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effective for and Q&A. compared for that, would XXXX. our XX.X% QX was like Operator? the to XXXX tax I With up rate QX Lastly, QX, for approximately call for to XX.X% open XX.X%

this of our And Piper Hultquist the your question Instructions] Sandler. first at from proceed question-and-answer Michael line time, with session. with Please we be question. And conducting [Operator will a comes

in year If afternoon. first quarter we that typically you the can volume others? than to with Hey, is overall being good anything half could increase origination start the point of the despite softer activity, this there

work to future seasonality over the attribute resources few and Michael significant both solid platform years us We allow into we've a with this to existing effects quarter's past that Javvis. put scale Yeah, building growth, is the of amount the of and despite programs.

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