Chemed (CHE) 19 Feb 202019 Q4 Earnings call transcript

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the Chemed Corporation Fourth Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants’ lines are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised, that today’s conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions]

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subsidiary. introduce Chief and Executive for President Officer of Chemed and our like Kevin VITAS McNamara, Financial today. Officer Corporation President Chief and I now Dave Williams, would Nick and Chief President Westfall, to of Officer Vice Executive speakers Corporation; Executive of Healthcare Chemed; Chemed’s

call over turn Kevin the will I now to McNamara.

operating then the will questions. follow will Thank David Nick quarter, with with the Corporation’s for quarter additional highlights and Sherri. fourth XXXX conference you, morning. begin call detail. call. open I Welcome Good Chemed will to and up I up for

many fourth operating million, generated of the exceeding of solid first cases of quarter, In an the were Consistent in Chemed – high the year, months very with end our exceeded increase expectations. quarter and XX.X%. nine internal XXXX our and at revenue results the $XXX

discrete items share, was XX%. quarter, excluding increase net of in income certain an diluted $X.XX consolidated Our the per

quarter the XX% of is the admissions second throughout revenue VITAS’s growth continued price to was third strengthen our our adjusted effective daily X.X% combination almost admissions have was in annual VITAS which EBITDA. XXXX. admitted admissions the prior increased and by increase our census resulted we a to that increase compares above Medicare X.X%. this XXXX, In There’s in driven X.X% fourth well year quarter, favorably quarter and quarter in in growth as October XXXX of XX,XXX the of growth patients, the year. XX.X% of a revenue as growth XX% Xst, average X.X%

Roto-Rooter show to increasing expanding XX.X%. consistent cleaning plumbing continues quarter revenue XX.X% core our the aggregate service and drain adjusted in growth segments, with EBITDA and in

decline we was of slight quarter. EBITDA, adjusted excellent While EBITDA margin a our the posted year XX% prior in overall growth adjusted over

a such revenue, margin. was cost increase of an it significant increase in EBITDA the Normally, Roto-Rooter show model that

However, our our held back margins metrics. a substantially Roto-Rooter operating Roto-Rooter acquisitions previously initially operating our are that generate of Roto-Rooter as announced direct result margin below that was growth

we acquired approximately $XX a XXXX, California Alameda southwestern million of of and revenue of the County had a of These territories County. portions the population of and you million. Joaquin second territories aware As franchise serve most roughly acquired quarter of annual are serving San X.X

Dallas serve these in people, about the and Salt Fernando Portland HSW Empire, HSW Tucson Metro franchisee. million. Texas; In Paso, XX $XX of Lake City Park City, El as as San of Inland Roto-Rooter Gabriel in territories was County million Orange revenue an San our Oregon. Los and base Florence, Phoenix, approximately locations aggregate Salem, and and and September Provo, with consisted Diego, Ogden, completed largest Collectively, Arizona; Utah; includes which well California; Angeles, San XXXX, Valley, acquisition which we County, HSW territories franchise

These earnings. been immediately to acquisitions have accretive

However, average mix the Roto-Rooter and our significantly of we service below operations. offerings existing territories gross these were pricing knowing their of margins, EBITDA margins, acquired

For percentage points example, were XXXX branch fourth in HSW the or average. percentage branch points basis XX.X operating average acquisition margins below HSW Roto-Rooter XX below the were quarter The the had that Roto-Rooter our operating gross of margins points margins. XXXX,

of acquired performance operating The of territories these are projections. ahead slightly initial newly our

to will operational confidence profitability However, operations over in have we emulate the that midst margins improvement these a and Roto-Rooter quarters. reengineer every our territories the of in one branches. strong have are branch significant to I project of overall coming these acquired

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$XXX room XX.X%, when was average This revenue and decreased that in net fluctuations year revenue of days-of-care net X.X%, of increase weighted Medicare prior increase partially an negatively primarily revenue an to This year the billing quarter XXXX, fourth prior Thanks, comprised and offset which revenue which combination Medicare the The contractual is is Kevin. geographically and compared the X.X%, shift, board X.X%. limitation adjustments, increase increase in by compared of approximately period. growth rate million impacted in when reimbursement of the approximately X.X% was in of the acuity mix a Cap VITAS a increase period. to growth

X% respectively. acuity the revenue period. $XXX.XX, Reimbursement care $XXX.XX quarter home care which routine per patient high average above and and in per of the prior XXXX Average was for day fourth is $XXX.XX, year

days-of-care, the quarter. XX reduced shift X.X% days-of-care of During increase mix in per high point point per year in XX and days-of-care This the acuity basis total the average to in patient high X.X% were acuity decline day prior from quarter, revenue the quarter. basis over X%

numbers. billing VITAS XXXX of compares prior $X.X the currently This in cushion In Cap XXXX was provider margin is to the XX-month improvement limitation. fourth a VITAS limitation XX XXX compared margin greater, these a X limitations. a million has X% which Cap XXXX. numbers fourth fourth Medicare gross basis numbers of quarter Medicare cushion Medicare XX On cap to million. X% Medicare basis, point have Medicare The and Cap provider when year and of provider accrual Medicare or billing have accrued Cap a numbers $X.X trailing a between XX% Cap provider the quarter X of excluding have billing XX.X%, of

general administrative $XX.X an quarter EBITDA period. million compared year were in the of compared the when quarter, Medicare adjusted EBITDA is was totaled increase the Adjusted margin, increase $XX.X XXXX, the fourth an which quarter. Selling, X.X% VITAS in Cap Cap of margin prior in basis quarter, and Medicare prior excluding million – which point to expenses a excluding the XX%. XXX improvement XX.X% year to of is

XXXX, XXXX, XX.X% year over The $XX.X of excludes for a quarter. increase mentioned unit-for-unit and or acquisitions, the X.X% over the respectively. prior Oakland in the Kevin million $XXX of Now, fourth Roto-Rooter revenue HSW that generated basis, of for Roto-Rooter quarterly let’s July revenue quarterly the quarter. million quarter On Roto-Rooter of increase the and year to were prior September million completed turn $XXX generated segment. quarter XXXX, the of of fourth earlier which an an

acquisitions, excluding on Excluding revenue only Water the Excavation a Water Oakland and of and commercial unit-for-unit commercial HSW Plumbing revenue And these X.X%, total Restoration overall, declined our Service represents Keep commercial commercial XX% X.X% Drain commercial Cleaning revenue. Water Restoration one increased in increased XX.X%. Restoration X.X%. and acquisitions basis, mind, declined

Excavation Overall, residential increased increased Drain acquisitions, our increased and side, excluding residential and On the sales acquisitions excluding Plumbing XX.X%, X.X%. XX.X%. Cleaning X.X% increased residential residential Restoration Water

and debt total had Chemed million XXXX, XXst, December long-term of $X.X $XX million. cash and of equivalents cash of As

During the the repurchased company of for $XX.X share fourth a which XX,XXX stock million, per quarter of cost Chemed shares to XXXX, $XXX.XX. equates of

authorization under share repurchase December was $XXX million approximately XXst, this XXXX, there remaining of of As plan.

are prior estimated adjusted margin X.X% Cap Our days-of-care. to XXXX guidance XXXX as expand year estimated And of growth in limitations year total approximately estimated to days-of-care be estimated to acuity X.X% for in to In range and $XX XX%. be Cap to to Full census in is XXXX we million for daily X.X% Medicare to are high XX.X% X.X%, average X.X%. XXXX. Revenue estimating VITAS Medicare follows. billing VITAS calendar calendar the is at for prior is both of currently are EBITDA Medicare our year admissions to Cap for

XXXX in achieve but core XX%. and revenue of Drain of full growth forecasted continued, XX% Services growth Cleaning Roto-Rooter is is estimate revenue our unit-for-unit to revenue Plumbing approximately X% year of based upon This to growth be in to with and of Roto-Rooter’s months XX from of acquisitions. the in is revenue range XXXX Water revenue HSW Oakland to combined estimated from for the Restoration XX.X%. Services adjusted slow X% XX% EBITDA margin

year costs related $XX.XX items upon effective XXXX for from full is earnings litigation, tax XXXX range Based non-cash above, and franchise the in the of intangible corporate stock discrete an estimated options, XX.X%. rights excluding stock share, to rate guidance to reacquired tax This amortization diluted be of options, of $XX.XX. expense other to assumes adjusted benefits per

adjusted diluted reported XXXX earnings Chemed’s a For was $XX.XX. comparison, share per

President Officer turn now Westfall, of VITAS. to I’ll over Executive Nick call our Chief this and

XXXX, each employee and quarter, making reality. to Thanks, dedication would entire Dave. excellent an results came where ongoing commitment each had I the members their solid thank of completing execution like together to focus our year. throughout VITAS was on team VITAS to for fourth these a what a

quarter, the quarter is of compared rate starting was XX,XXX XX,XXX. our third average over quarter the increase, our admissions an fourth fourth is quarter patients, XXXX the second the In daily were when admissions increase sequential census to a Total admissions increase This in in X.X% year. and prior XXXX. of of X.X% the growth with

of operate. our our striving which referral the This we serve collective patients’ performance of to aspects and to communities families sequential and result to the organization VITAS ability be a all differentiate each and of efficiently continues in improve sources

by pre-admit During Hospitals admissions, of the our expanded increased represent admits to X.X%. locations and living the which increased quarter, assisted typically X.X% four X.X%. nursing compared admissions our quarter of XX% admissions X.X%, Home-based facilities in admissions of when increased all increased home fourth XXXX.

of well length the of comparison quarter average XX.X of in as days, stay in fourth was this quarter quarter XXXX. third XX.X XXXX both the Our the days as

quarter. day days stay Our than and of our of less the penetration which is the is current median market. year-to-date basis, X XX was length median a of into indicator of key stay median year in quarter, day XX. of the a is the acuity prior high the sector XX stain length On Median length

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to we thousands upon or by high out great our made what driver don’t But to given you bring needs. the quarter relative any physicians in because year. have or It’s point, of individual any a given be control acuity up current patient decisions care turns any based

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assumes so high that for X.X% that guidance XX point, face on Kirby’s you’re of So acuity. your saying total

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felt X.X%, this which points of less days-of-care through it. just reported, was XXXX. walk we it to you was quarters, the of tail it homecare we’re flat was XXXX was the less total QX around was basis you – routine remain with I’ll XX prior we know, prior into few the going as see and can so against X.X%, the and acuity high points year, last anticipate comfortable each that which is the So XX prior what to of the year, what QX year X.X% X year X%, consistent with with which you of that basis than back the between normalization In expand, so but at we to degree was compare then as end ratio continue experiencing than quarter,

so decrease So to I’m I’m the year-over-year so sorry you’re – expecting as the of total acuity actually saying sorry, high increase percentage so you’re year, that days-of-care or slightly? full for a

flat, at remain relatively is To which X.X%. that

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based which is much on market exclusively It’s need, a specific patient very dynamic.

points understood. this or in obviously that does basis imply for – XXX guidance the year-over-year margin Okay, margins dramatic. in year, so terms VITAS the front increased sort much QX on of And for in of so increase alone, that more then the the

you a the expansion expect, that basis the XXX about higher know, QX then think quarters the you rate XXXX three So of a about it well way know, lapping will a that I we revenue XXXX? rebasing and the having like assume QX nice, first have, points should rate normalize of it’s margin, things dynamic is normalized of growth to at

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range the ADC have sure, and both our know, modify Kevin may a that range I’ll for admission on of comes both Joanna. inside we of range color to, add of may additional I’m of take to the Dave it. of you operating year, throughout answering into But good, conservative experience is it’s and approaches a experienced some at stab provided, which the as metrics. Sounds those – as the And XXXX, with course historical those in. you consistent some know, and

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and how continuing you rate it as our growth rate an would it we you stay at point, those hopefully, ADC with And XXXX, know, to is, will reiterate grow we on Kevin’s mentioned sequentially. what depending patients see long to like us. be And has know, growth admission look

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sources, And of with VITAS always But independent hospice. being value separating without referral been things. is, do upstream these any has the first hospice or ownership critically to affiliation it one out important proposition for an the

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topic different a hospice. on thing the on And Okay.

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actually, expand core given can’t an we formation actually the household robust, that rates. consider Roto-Rooter much really So growth industry beyond for

Arizona, mind is thing of was service $X. know, California and Oregon, visit said HSW in between one in that because that pop, over branch the as in commercial sales vary the we is, speaking, population, you that of again the sales, focusing had because Yeah, Texas, at little acquisition bought, $X I’m average because but million acquisition a residential. of of mix a pricing, generally we over know, average over when you $XX there offerings, per keep $X Roto-Rooter number per That some

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