M&T Bank (MTB) 17 Oct 182018 Q3 Earnings call transcript

Welcome to the M&T Bank Third Quarter 2018 Earnings Conference Call. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Don MacLeod, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you, Maria, and good morning, everyone. I’d like to thank you all for participating in M&T’s third quarter 2018 earnings conference call both by telephone and through the webcast.

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Now, introduce Darren would Chief King. Financial I Officer, like to our

Thank you, press third We the quarter, quite Don, which we release. pleased strong everyone. morning’s were with characterized M&T’s this for good and results as morning, in

growth banking of opportunities into expectations deploy quarter credit net remained compensation higher the beyond seasonality savings a trust continued invest steps basis; highlights stable point on both we’re to a run-rate to for to some mortgage the through reform our taking profitability, that to being fee by both well-controlled quarter shareholders. this capital of commercial the revenues return income, that in and the levels Some linked our softness from from loan notwithstanding afford interest and and a of certain many a fees; capital, performance steady aftertax higher expenses, income higher tax credit offset with year-over-year in of sizable from M&T include losses is These benefitting current recovery with employees; quarter. the and preprovision including

to of quarterly and per stock. the M&T repurchased we XX% nearly quarter, the common share stock million increased quarter dividend common $XXX per During $X by

which return $X.XX at of of on assets improved expenses with compares and earnings or intangible quarter M&T the long-term prior numbers. on in quarter linked the on quarter. of Now, the million quarter from $X.XX Included the This GAAP only common in and an annualized The tangible the $X.XX of release to the our were non-GAAP of reconciliation were common results an in this and X.XX% quarter of million million million, XX.XX%. per average assets, XXXX. the operating assets of third quarter guidelines, of annualized of amounting for second let’s the the XXXX of was the XX.XX% On quarter from returns recent third up quarter, equity any X.XX% amortization XXXX. equity effect from and as XX% in acquisitions average and of mergers Diluted quarter. in they produced million average in of net we have return the tangible earnings XXXX up the tangible ever quarter quarter per share, excludes press recent rates tabular rates XXXX, gains quarter third year’s contains share quarter. in in third recent GAAP intangible of intangible XXXX. income with income Net in and last expenses reporting assets on results quarter. the respectively which In linked common second including assets the in of the as $X.XX in quarter after-tax second quarter the third from common third and equity. excluded GAAP common year the XX.XX% $XXX were million, yielded provides X.X% X.XX% and with from for amortization with previous share $XXX for the Diluted of for practice, comparable $X SEC’s rate little average look operating basis, shareholders’ ago M&T’s and $X.XX operating change a annualized Consistent accordance $XXX net its results income tangible $XXX or a was and Net supplemental $XXX quarter. per a $XXX or operating from and after-tax of were M&T’s basis, quarter, specific for $X.XX when and amortization, associated occur. the up return GAAP $X.XX well morning’s from in million net

in these to the diluted actions GAAP $XX common Wilmington earnings in million that its a $XX of the pretax for for reduced that to and $X.XX M&T’s and tax net effective tax are by XXXX XXXX. the Department were rates excluding payment to XX% by the a or income by U.S. improved operating of related both quarter. and XX reminder, third comparisons GAAP increase income some year’s that year-ago operating reserve by matters the impacted Justice per for Recall XXXX XXXX percentage Corporation lower beyond federal of impacts, addition the net tax first a for year-over-year prior the points net at of quarter reserve to As recent to with earnings the prior impacted and the earnings three income GAAP rate quarters the quarter, Trust M&T for in reduction non-deductible litigation Net million million both from share acquisition of matters. by in quarter litigation. M&T’s $XX

XXXX, and primary recent billion income impact interest margin combined in the the the million net the interest from quarter. $X.XX sheet the quarter, previous the the September to an rates from and comparison spread funds statement. quarter recent big with two The estimates. quarters, the and quarter. than asset between lifting with That of arising than previous actions, improvement, short-term consistent quarter with LIBOR. quarter. a in quarter interest up margin wider a short-term less net in X.XX%, to the in relationship our A Taxable Fed’s Turning reflects equivalent Fed margin previous driver was the extent day million the net from X $XXX by additional increase interest up loans overall was with the declined widened points prior expansion resulting and between $XX yields. of rate of prior further to The Average third balance June X.X% in basis in the accrual this from lesser one X.XX% income difference linked the or rate was compared

has for with factor. As several past the main planned quarters, acquired loan been the portfolio of the the City case mortgage was the runoff Hudson continued

loan aggregate. The yielding in grew X.X% about other higher categories the

usual an slowdown plan in estate compared loans compared with loans. quarter. flat the real balances, Commercial growth were loans in third dealer on Looking and at industrial others average flat with quarter, with the seasonal offsetting commercial quarter basis were floor also effectively with essentially linked by quarter second the linked category, the loans compared C&I the

quarters. residential annualized, loans or estate previous consistent X% noted, with up some approximately expected loans As about the pace continued of real by X%. XX% declined were down. pay portfolio Consumer That

Jersey loans. longer growth softness indirect gains either recreation the home billion previous are where strength trend no some loan compared commercial Continued a finance and an is of On in equity basis, The over consistent in or Regionally, to continued exception positively of period indirect loans to end particular standing negatively. just X% lines loans modest remains The pace out, of $X.X New quarter. what complemented with the is growth we’re base. in fairly in the ongoing over loans the growth portfolios. term auto region seeing decent modest offset notable declined

Islands customer June a This years. in commercial noted declined the to rates X% decline contributed almost received loans, $XXX slow. mortgage about commercial mortgage or decline $XXX as a the entirely loans. million, escrow we $XXX,XXX a in deposits for runoff investment recent prior at an Average excuse balances has $XXX over reflects by second seasonal million did notwithstanding brokered the in municipal XXth. the million time declined from duration office, also residential deposits which and M&T’s continues held well money the Average Cayman deposits declined aggregate, as by quarter. of by which while in treasury market me, CDs, Excluding X%, time in acquired X.X%, as exclude includes deposits, about assets which categories Hudson due primarily securities quarter. the decline $XXX estimated CDs other quarters, fact -- September than in sale declined securities to purchase compared was compared the earning short to duration loan balances. decline average during pace Average growth with long about deposit in XXth, increase market in the trip in slower higher Average by loans million, deposit to The declined that balances core City at

$XX Mortgage quarter. quarter. in the million were with the income. compared million servicing were quarter. the in the recent in quarter, origination non-interest sale from in about the compared to prior $XX banking mortgage banking originated $XX in loans and income Non-interest for down residential second Turning $XXX the third down million revenues linked $XXX quarter with million $XX in Total million million prior including million, quarter were the totaled slightly quarter. activities revenues mortgage from very $XXX Residential XX%

billion subservicing During an brought additional contract assets. into entered which quarter, of the we $X a third servicing

quarter loan margins on balance previous quarter to banking the lenders during expect quarter, was contract We $XXX compared Trust $XX in million million revenues $XXX that revenues in with returns, the last the above X% the third fourth gain in million full mortgage in that linked quarter fees did $XXX are of accounts not clients to were income the securities earned $XXX on factors. the million Service in recent same mortgage results $X $XX from preparing sheet the earned were seasonal quarter. benefit result were investment banking in charges some pressures third and million compared million quarter. Commercial the deposit run-rate see this quarter, with year’s seasonal quarter, the the seeing. reflecting in the $X on in third from in million quarter with in the million of the $X their million largely existing improved for million, compared the second the Recall second quarter. Losses recur tax some second $XXX for of quarter. which included

comprehensive noted previously, to prior this loan our we’ve and commercial syndication preferred loan letter have result revenues fees recorded other Included second As are which value what to of in both the accumulated in categories the of as the which fair of of quarters. GSE stock, certain compared changes saw fees, in XXXX volatility been income. comes and credit improved we including sharply other first in

the from Turning expenses. as the reflecting Operating a the ratio million, operations headcount from quarter. for of tax quarter, the the part invest $XX in was $XX lower of related assets from federal from in the which the ratio, the for efficiency quarter the reflecting certain from was to XXXX’s employees securities lower expenses million by increase. million, increased amortization in quarter. in benefits losses unchanged gains XX.X% Salaries which previous XX.X% a impact to denominator, were in towards part intangible cost declined intangible excludes and plan higher XX% from of $XXX by and savings or numerator exclude legal Other and portion third wages The the third expenses. as amortization income modest quarter, approximately the That million second rate recent previous $XXX to our well quarter.

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allowance as commercial for this loan. sizable X the basis third points down $XX recovery on provision our a to percentage the Annualized second within for even results the loans up points loans quarter-end quarter. exceeded quarter’s loans quarter. the excluding charge-offs off Nonaccrual accrue fair previously expectations a However, lower million X%, Loans in end $XXX XX% XXth, losses of from at basis quarter, total second credit ratio net million total seen at loans, The XX or discounted and past government the from were loans basis due points X.XX%, balance. was lower loans charged September. a value days were million past $XXX the to marked shift total exactly ongoing million acquired billion in matched The nonaccrual at September X of quarter, charge-offs. end slightly recent balance the acquisition, of the also at at past the level mix loans range as end quarter to well $XXX The $XX these of a increased unchanged The of $X.XX recent the ratio the million been the loans were allowance several increased ending the by losses as the of $XXX guaranteed the which quarters. related of on end by for of in quarter, was net credit at to over have the the were to which remaining sheet. by entities. at continue quarter XX impacted loans interest, to we that due million Of reflecting

Turning end share to capital. quarter, XX.XX% was at the ratio repurchases, of reflecting from an estimated quarter, of assets. third equity XX.XX% capital the quarter common risk-weighted in at a decline end as the the strong X M&T’s impact of generation tier during second as the net with modest compared end-of-period well third the

During the X.X an cost of at third of million. stock M&T quarter, shares million repurchased common aggregate $XXX

outlook. Now, turning the to

the our previously. for offered commentary we’ve outlook remains the into quarter consistent XXXX, final with of Going year the

we on loans with said, the last, full-year seasonal recent dealer mortgage growth coming with the highlighted strength see loan we our makes for potential portfolio basis. investor at a average in aided As the difficult environment, the in by lending That do commercial quarter plan grow combined runoff, it floor loans. the conference, a to compared soft

We fund as in gradually we for decrease more net each the behaving improvement and in have a normalize manner continued interest to seen prior markets with margin fed Throughout from more margin remainder expensive, guidance. consistent anticipate cycles. become our deposits of the XXXX, prior consistent the with improvement XXXX,

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growth to total to vary expense quarter’s of may as addition expect Wilmington across we annual bank’s for from quarter-to-quarter, continue manage reserve excluding Corporation total growth the expense in rates nominal, expenses, $XXX We shareholder the the The individual first low, Trust the operating million litigation. to continue base. categories the

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and capital We execute plan our also capital strong ratios. anticipate XXXX given to profitability continuing our

subject unfolds and may you regarding our Of materially course, growth, a assumptions what regional political interest changes in aware, the macroeconomic to and economic uncertainties as national are differ are projections number rates, various future. actually other of in and events, which factors from

up Now, will the instructions. review before let’s open briefly call to questions the which Maria

Instructions] of question Thank Stanley. of first Ken Zerbe comes you. from Our [Operator Morgan line

Thanks. Good morning.

Good morning, Ken.

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question from Deutsche next comes Our of the Bank. O’Connor of line Matt

you it guys and a bit maybe seasonality. As a term about little talked loan on based seems of of the near kind growth like most the is here optimism basis on outlook

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about talk portfolio added there the kind if sheet just medium and then in balance thoughts worth securities of term and that mentioning? maybe is the are growth outlook loan So, for any

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of question comes Pancari from Evercore. Our John line the next of

loan Related just to that’s helpful. that commentary gave, you growth

wondering, in know, of resi terms tough you remaining at for would something excluding runoff view a I grow XXXX ‘XX, range that in growth. book? but it’s are how you ‘XX the the we be trajectory looking in the implied, to Just GDP could

now together. right on be our about through in we thoughts putting how XXXX more January going plan specifics we’re unfolding. back and John, We’ll our finalizing XXXX see with

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line Frank of the from of comes Sandler question Schiraldi next Our O’Neill.

Good morning.

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comes line final question Barker Our Kevin from of of Jaffrey. Piper

more you that you In seeing in in noticed markets was Jersey of or expand other Are New up any I pretty to looking existing you outside your growth are market England? footprint, New strong. said some regards your that you to specifically of mentioned,

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surrounding Washington, York you expect our in New at given Philadelphia, of rates our the share areas growth Baltimore, in expectations based we there. higher share, in Jersey, our would look City, market perhaps If just on New in

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yes. Sure,

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