Acacia Communications (ACIA) 4 May 182018 Q1 Earnings call transcript

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Acacia Communications First Quarter 2018 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Monica Gould, Investor Relations for Acacia Communications. Thank you.

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and announced delivering we confidence yesterday, repurchase This close of commitment in repurchase a program Board enable repurchase million Directors end Acacia stock of us of to market to our and XXXX. to after will our our stock demonstrates stockholders. the $XX through program up approved that our that of management's board's to Finally, future the our value common our

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