MasterBrand (MBC) 7 May 242024 Q1 Earnings call transcript

Welcome to MasterBrand's First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. Please note that this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Farand Pawlak, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications.

Thank you. Good afternoon. us call. joining you appreciate for today's We With President Andi and the call Simon, Dave Banyard, today are Officer. Chief Financial Vice and me President on Executive Chief Executive Officer; and results. this a issued our XXXX press earlier We afternoon release first disclosing quarter financial

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to Now our let's turn outlook.

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pattern environment, downs develop more half contemplates pricing promotions. normalized XXXX. outlook customary the saw effect in of of continued second We a Our including trade and XXXX this the

and the evaluate inflationary would response the environment, we'll of is to in We environment normalized to in in we get annualization impact see the we expect half quarterly XXXX, and first pricing there some that. So from to more normal normal of second a promotion year comparisons. as the continue but impact to anticipate price half less

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I'll with Q&A. open call to the up Now that,

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improvement as a And you you of to think want to pretty tend spot in see so there. Andi, do we're anything? a goes year on, I good bit of add little generally, kind but the

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with the that, And call questions to further for this at remarks. closing back Farand no I are hand like time. any to would Pawlak There

Thank you, and your for call We This future support. thank forward look today. us. on and your interest calls. We everyone, to for updating you, appreciate our continued joining you concludes operator,