Ventas (VTR) 15 Feb 242023 Q4 Earnings call transcript

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Ventas Fourth Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. I would now like to welcome BJ Grant, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations, to begin the call. BJ, over to you.

Thank you, Mandeep, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Ventas Full Year 2023 Results Conference Call. Yesterday, we issued our full year 2023 earnings release, presentation materials and supplemental investor package, which are available on the Ventas website at ir.ventasreit.com.

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we attributable XXXX, of $X.XX income net share expect midpoint. common stockholders the to at For per

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million per expense $X.XX is share is capital increase $X.XX which year. and This year-over-year $XXX of SHOP, outstanding led property an offset growth for consecutive a expect the by growth property NOI by to expected from share by impact interest again second grow the We per $X.XX in higher XXXX recycling. partially contribution over

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phasing. are investments Our includes final guidance remarks. his described our by senior million, in range housing A mentioned largely high new in and NOI low XXX which end of of on also FFO interest and rates. Justin property potential The note our expectations changes guidance

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Markets. from [Operator Instructions] RBC line the Michael Our of Capital first with question comes Carroll

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on we about initiatives to performance what incentives. the Right. those they And I time significant the would renewal you that improve Mike, communicated have earnings most thing tell has XXXX capacity and the underway of Kindred assets obviously, about think beyond. us those to is expense in is in -- the operating and that that at important revenue

Kindred's it as see business, significant improvements Some it's shows take of XXXX are early example same We XXXX. to possible. fact, and initiatives improve the too surely those, are say, But are take it. in in give the we will, on working to public in to a company extent And that can whether EBITDAR they hold. starting an because really hold Select it's to and and

Scotiabank. comes Our next with from line the question Yulico of Nick

Maybe just for Bob. a question the on guidance

of could terms unpack terms refinancing? sure wasn't that terms in if of the in just perhaps you're any on up more. you year, in but sort of In leverage this just assumptions debt is going of assuming there you anything also a us expense reduction, some interest there bit change give of can little the I

Sure, Nick. Yes.

year-over-year. I into debt mentioned the that big of refinancing rate is environment. So piece $X.XX A higher our a

debt due in mid-Xs kind of quite the billion -- have year, call that years having We from of it and $X.X ago. this coming you debt issued range

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in note us, So together, on it can to guidance, model new interest know to expense but because be those which are included that try I'd drivers. increase interest the X those to I help order things describe analysts' year-on-year the tricky, expense. is we've

Our from line next the Rich question comes Wedbush. with of Anderson

I could Speaking What in process, call portfolios, come any cleaner a some in that of XXXX kind if also it some Brookdale and of with -- next of that be year does maybe temporary in of Are but year, of have one reset you've chances Santerre to when year that X more activity such the there be drag make deal that with won't picture. addressed could you activity are of other and sort -- that. you have of those XXXX, situation Kindred, the there you can this do so that around, that buckets? thinking those issue deal XXXX will a this on to preemptively to sort some this sort

Rich, it's Justin.

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have we is Brookdale the in year, will has portfolio performing That let lease 'XX, end of 'XX. through well. extend and starting lease the So to end us then a and run this new know, lease the the opportunity at of to the

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Our with next question Griffin Citigroup. from the Michael comes line of

It's here Michael. with Nick Joseph

what it's any Just to discount then range, IRRs, going-in on the are. seeing acquisition of XXXX? would what kind on a plans just external there? funding in opportunities the that the opportunities what just is? mid-teens I'm mentioned curious the but you're seeing, you're What yields And just replacement thinking growth you're for sure you costs be but

I'll part. with Justin. start It's the first

in XX% that XX% in We have We're We are the opportunities seeing replacement discount target good seeing costs. to opportunities discounts housing. around senior do pipeline. to a

In IRRs. mentioned terms of you mid-teens the unlevered low in to return expectations,

tend there's We there is -- rate also down, up little obviously, and now, the around the cap depending the a bit and see X% to on growth of -- of is component right a of We movement that. asset.

be housing have to senior sector. and X supported So accretive in the is growing by in strong the growth is which this demand neutral asset, and the year goal or then

maybe I'll question. on And funding touch the

returns, into to those of sheet attractive think Nick, do indeed, and Given with $XXX million our we shareholders. financing we And of those the alternatives and think achieve an types in can built on delevering we about we've investment attractive And for that be can both in guidance order that. proposition investments balance process investments.

Our Markets. next question the BMO Juan line comes Sanabria of with Capital from

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business in 'XX assumptions. in so our usual And guidance as it's

that depends we itself. restructure would we amortized. say on If there, be the affected, to deal extent amortization the consideration is Brookdale You're it a years could outcome that received that correct to ago but of number ultimately, be deal a there and the an have being from restructured in

in this with FAD, FAD of -- I to FAD, would line I is operating grow expect year-over-year. say would growth FFO terms In

line with next Our Joshua comes question of America. from the Dennerlein Bank of

on just segment. put and was Can you what in litigation Slide at there's to class related out, over to? it just like saw go XX, looks looking I your I a SHOP the footnote that's presentation related you action

Josh, sure.

Yes, it's Justin.

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next question the Mueller Our from comes JPMorgan. of Mike line with

a of for assume the you for this of Or does occupancy more it a SHOP you guess, cadence of I to experienced little Does seasonality? bit at Looking normal compare 'XX? it talk just how the year. in Can occupancy? the, year about guide sort what

It's Justin.

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move-ins So of the as to of beginning the good we growth, and versus well. that prior year really have strong also, We've have in run see fourth been occupancy they're as year I quarter. a strong the move-ins continued around mentioned a well. at XXX%

Our next Stroyeck Street. comes Michael the line from of question with Green

outcome in the be I'll do I magnitude if you those going ultimate assuming of next the return this early to slightly in did future back near say a order as sustainable required ask way. Kindred reductions for rents it's those know today, on rent level, So operator will be, of to a in believe to this you different hypothetically, to what down too try or operations go but properties? to path, Kindred, will either and what the

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have in Kindred, We the and trends out as situation, Brookdale to hope favorable trends have favorable XXXX. you to look in we

into think a lot about more with more be, you there's to as going that share facts when the and be outcome happy So goes is it what the we'll develop. to you

Our next with comes the Connor Fargo. line Wells of Siversky question from

a want on in earnings to conversation the to assets. loan outpatient 'XX to back specifically jump call the I QX medical regard equitized the portfolio,

that into a going outlined to back were you improvement You to occupancy plan in place those bring assets. put capital

assets, return what I'm time, for So those plan? improvement wondering, this look are a what profile like, looks that plan quantify at medical capital then if outpatient for you and could occupancy expectations what that like capital could improvement

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XX%. effectively. the occupied was managed under Our portfolio is very and by over and Pete This XX% team

was it turn as those So take over get self-manage and the we and now your questions. to occupancy I'll significant there upside in And there -- was team there to is assets.

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Justin. It's

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overall percentage do represents that, investments, be will shrink And will emphasized also, that senior obviously, as denominator the because the the growing of and Ventas portfolio U.S. we housing. new SHOP and on

will that So change impact the as well.

for blend growth that XX.X% to high-quality, same-store us opportunity the grew mid- actually, the other portfolio. and a portfolio, is expecting stable. And the growth It's other comparable little to in engine. And U.S. and have my year stability, we're where you very teens 'XX. high-performing less well that's growth high pool, is hampered last the anyone. But a They U.S., when Canada it's is. quality and it in similar hampers obviously, our as I'll growing is it and -- okay, high being And as the upside X, our bit, make by take one of this That's what to Yes. NOI and that in that points. favorite

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